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		<title>Loaning Money to Friends and Family</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a simple rule when loaning money to friends or family.&#160; I don’t.&#160; If a friend or family member asks to borrow money, I give them a gift.&#160; I never give them anything and expect it back.&#160; I never ask about it.&#160; I don’t have strings attached.&#160; I don’t want them to become indebted [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrote/2646295354/"><img title="2646295354_59da66b79a" style="border-top-width: 0px; display: inline; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 15px; border-right-width: 0px" height="152" alt="2646295354_59da66b79a" src="http://rainydaypennies.net/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/2646295354-59da66b79a1.jpg" width="244" align="right" border="0" /></a> I have a simple rule when loaning money to friends or family.&#160; I don’t.&#160; If a friend or family member asks to borrow money, I give them a gift.&#160; I never give them anything and expect it back.&#160; I never ask about it.&#160; I don’t have strings attached.&#160; I don’t want them to become indebted to me.&#160; I do not want to be their master, and they my slave.&#160; I don’t want to be a loan officer.&#160; I want to help them. </p>
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<p>That doesn’t mean I have never said no.&#160; Sometimes, there is a reason why I do not want to give a gift.&#160; I do not co-sign loans, for example.&#160; If they need a loan, then they need more money than I would feel comfortable gifting.&#160; I had enough trouble with my own debt. I don’t need to be entangled with someone else’s.</p>
<p>A funny thing, though.&#160; While I never expect what I give to come back, it always has.&#160; Sometimes it is in a couple of weeks, sometimes it has been several years.&#160; Truth is, if there is any friend or family member I loaned money to that didn’t pay me back, I don’t remember who it was or how much.&#160; I think everyone has eventually paid me back, but I don’t know.&#160; And don’t care.</p>
<p>I believe this is because what I gave them to help them pay the bills that month was given out of love, and not obligation.&#160; I never lectured them on their irresponsibility or tried to teach them a lesson.&#160; Thus, because what I gave them out of love and respect, they gave back to me.&#160; They remembered how I treated them in need, and thus, when they had better circumstances, they remembered me.</p>
<p>When I have asked to borrow money, my friends and family gave it to me without question.&#160; Why?&#160; Because when I borrowed, I always paid back.&#160; They knew I am reliable, and I wouldn’t ask if it wasn’t really important.</p>
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		<title>Love and Money</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160;“They do not love that do not show their love. The course of true love never did run smooth. Love is a familiar. Love is a devil. There is no evil angel but Love”. – William Shakespeare from ‘Love’s Labour’s Lost’ Money is often cited as the leading cause of divorce in the western world.&#160; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="left"><em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwmullins/365481054/"><img title="365481054_801eb4565e" style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; display: inline; margin: 0px 15px 0px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="216" alt="365481054_801eb4565e" src="http://rainydaypennies.net/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/365481054-801eb4565e1.jpg" width="244" align="left" border="0" /></a>&#160;</em><em>“They do not love that do not show their love. The course of true love never did run smooth. Love is a familiar. Love is a devil. There is no evil angel but Love”. – William Shakespeare from ‘Love’s Labour’s Lost’</em></p>
<p>Money is often cited as the leading cause of divorce in the western world.&#160; When I found this article <a href="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/SuddenlySingle/MoneyIsntTheCulpritInMostDivorces.aspx" target="_blank">Money isn&#8217;t the culprit in most divorces</a>, it made me think, is this true?</p>
<p>Money does not wreck relationships.&#160; Lack of communication and compromise does.&#160; Money just happens to be the catalyst in which poor communication and compromise occurs.</p>
<p>When dating evolves to a point where you are considering ‘the next level’ whether moving in together or marriage, it’s time to come clean about your debts and priorities.&#160; Who pays for the dinner and movies is inadequate information about financial compatibility. </p>
<p>At the same time, until you both are ready to have a serious relationship, the state of your finances is nobody’s business but your own.&#160; Confessing about your bankruptcy in the first couple of months of dating may put forth uncomfortable questions about whether you are with a person to be bailed out.  Do what you feel comfortable with.</p>
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<p><strong>Show your strength and independence.</strong>&#160; If you need to reveal an embarrassing and unpleasant topic, admit your mistake, and say you are taking charge of it.&#160; Keep your finances separate until you have agreed to combine finances in marriage.&#160; Do not accept money gifts or loans from your partner.&#160; Thank them, but let them know your debts before you come into marriage is your problem.&#160; Have them settled before you commit so it does not become a source of contention or liability on your future.&#160; Your partner will love and respect you for it.&#160; If they become angry or insistent about it – be wary.&#160; They may be trying to control you through money.</p>
<p><strong>If your partner is the one with money troubles, do not give them money gifts or loans.</strong>&#160; Do not think you can try to solve their money problems.&#160; If things don’t work out, you are going to feel like a fool.&#160; If they have a serious debt problem, let them know you have concerns about it and it may jeopardize any long term plans you may have together.&#160; Be wary if they try to make you feel guilty about not helping them.&#160; You should feel empathy, but not obligated. </p>
<p>If they have acknowledged personal responsibility, then your emotional support will be appreciated. Congratulate them on their achievements!</p>
<p><strong>You can talk to them about it, and give them passive advice, but know that ultimately, you cannot change the other person.</strong>&#160; You can only change yourself.&#160; If they do not want to change, lash out at you, and refuse to have an honest discussion about it, weigh your options carefully.&#160; 30-40-50 years of union with someone is a long time.&#160; 5 years with someone who wrecks your credit can impact your life in direct (bankruptcy) or indirect (losing compound interest savings) ways for at least as long.&#160;&#160; If you have children, you will never be entirely separated from your partner, even if you split.&#160; Memories of a painful separation lasts a lifetime.</p>
<p><strong>If your partner comes to you with a criticism, thank them, as uncomfortable as it is.&#160; </strong>Reward them for being open and honest.&#160; Before becoming defensive, take a moment and be self reflective.&#160; Does my partner have a point?&#160; Do I have a spending problem?&#160; It also swings the other way, too.&#160; Am I cheapskate?&#160; Am I an ungenerous penny pincher?&#160; Agree with the person that you can see how they would feel that way.&#160; You may also bring up any concerns you have.&#160; Open discussion means there is your side too.</p>
<p><strong>If they say these things to you lashing out in anger, walk away and talk later.</strong>&#160; Just as you reward someone for honest communication, refuse to reward bad behavior.&#160; Perhaps they have a point, but they owe you a calm and reasonable discussion about it.</p>
<p><strong>Learn how to negotiate and compromise.</strong>&#160; If your partner says you spend too much money on shoes, say, ‘I see your point.&#160; I need new shoes for work, where a neat clean image is important.&#160; If I buy a new pair of shoes, I will donate or sell an old pair that I have’.&#160; Then follow through with it.&#160; If you don’t, you will lose respect.&#160; Lose enough respect, and it’s over.&#160; Money didn’t cause that – you did.</p>
<p>If you are buying things compulsively and you don’t really need them, then you don’t have a strong negotiation point.&#160; Concede.</p>
<p><strong>Take a long, deep look in the mirror.</strong>&#160; Let’s say you get married or move in together.&#160; Your partner had lots of money in savings, good credit and no debts before they met you.&#160; You have creditors calling you and couldn’t get a credit card even during a period of lax credit checks.&#160; Suddenly, both of you are having trouble making ends meet.&#160; Your rent check bounces.&#160; Who is most likely to have influenced this situation?</p>
<h3>Closing Thoughts</h3>
<p>Talking about your past is uncomfortable.&#160; There’s always something embarrassing we wish we could never reveal.&#160; However, when you are talking about a committed relationship, you need to put everything on the table, especially the uncomfortable topics.&#160; Despite the openness and honesty, there is a chance your partner will choose to not accept it.&#160; It is painful, but it is their right.&#160; You cannot try to choose for another person by keeping secrets.&#160; You can only choose what’s right for you.&#160; Sometimes, you might be the one who decides to walk away.</p>
<p>What’s your take?&#160; Why do most divorcing couples list ‘money’ as the reason?&#160; Do they mean something else?&#160; Why are people willing to disclose their credit for a car loan, but are terrified of sharing it with someone they want a relationship with?</p>
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